The State was invented by Christian Zionists – following the trail
The more I look for evidence that the State was really a CZ project, right from the start, the more I find it.
This blog isn’t academic writing, and so I am not going to footnote everything I am discovering.
Instead, I’m just going to point you in the direction of stuff that is easily available, easy to read – but essentially sets out the stuff you could write at least 4 PhDs on, fully-sourced, showing that the thesis is correct.
Like this, for example:
https://comeintothehouseoftruth.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-impossible-dream.html
It’s basically a big boast about how all the CZs got the Jews back to Eretz Yisrael as a reconstituted political entity (that the war of Gog and Magog could be waged against, to fulfill biblical prophecies that have to be crossed off before Yoshki’s ‘second coming…)
I have checked out most of the CZs it lists, and more – and the real scope of what these notzrim pulled off is truly impressive.
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Of course, all this was Hashem’s plan, obviously so.
The Jews believed they couldn’t ‘force’ the return to Israel, and it looks like they were right about that. So, God sent the CZs to do the ‘forcing’ instead – and now we live in a State that hates the Talmud, hates religious Jews, respects ‘Tanach’ but teaches it as history – and has a whole bunch of strange links to the CZs and their agenda, including letting missionaries run riot all over the holy land and trying to ‘break’ religious Jews and their communities any way they can.
And let’s not even get into the politics of what is going on here, with all the US-trained little puppets in the military and govt doing exactly as they are told by their controllers, to try and get the war of Gog and Magog going, big time.
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The bit that is even more hidden here, is how evangelical xtianity degenerated into ‘spiritualism’, on the one hand, and ‘satanism’ on the other.
I will get to that at some point.
There’s a lot to cover.
But often, when I flip over a satanic spook and intelligence asset, and trace their connections back even just a little way – I hit a particular brand of evangelical xtianity, that spread out of the UK to both Germany and the US, primarily.
And especially, there is a big conglomeration of these folks in and around Scotland.
More than that, I can’t say at the moment, but the links between Scottish evangelicals in the 19th century and the Holy Land is also very notable.
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Anyhu, go check this out:
https://comeintothehouseoftruth.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-impossible-dream.html
You’ll learn a lot.
And every single person that understands more what is really going on here, starts to change the whole equation for all of us.
Each bit of birur makes all the difference in the world.
Which is why they try so hide to keep so much basic facts and information about the CZ creation of the State hidden in the shadows…
Because they never really worked for the good of the Jews, or for Judaism – and they still aren’t working for us, today.
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PS: The Talmud explains that a person can’t come to purify themselves in a mikvah whilst holding on to a form of impurity, or a ‘dead sheretz’ (impure animal, e.g. like a lizard.)
For as long as they are holding the dead sheretz, none of their ‘purification’ efforts are working, no matter how many times they dunk in the mikvah, and no matter how super-duper-kosher that mikvah might be.
If you are holding on to the CZs in any way, but particularly financially – you are carrying around a massive dead sheretz.
And the implications of that, spiritually, are scary.
For their part, the CZs just love the idea that all their propaganda about Jews being a bunch of money-grubbing ‘Judases’ who would sell out their own messiah for cash can be ‘proven’ each time a Jew chooses to take their dime…
To say it’s probably one of the biggest acts of chillul Hashem’s an orthodox Jew could perform is the understatement of the century.
You can’t hold on to a CZ ‘dead sheretz’ and also hold on to having some sincere emuna in Hashem.
Just like the people worshipping the Baal when Elijah called on them to pick a side, we are back in that same test of having to choose who we really owe our allegiance to: CZs, or God.
It’s a tough decision, especially for people who have been lugging that dead sheretz around for so long, they probably don’t even realise what they are holding.
I hope God gives us all the strength to choose correctly.
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Very happy to hear you are on this case, Rivka. In our town, ‘community’ buildings, motor vehicles, and documents are plastered all over the place with cz logos and plaques. And people don’t get what bothers me about it.
In Jerusalem, I recently drove past a CZ-sponsored ‘old age home’ in Gilo, apparently being run by xtians, for aging Jews. This bothers me tremendously, for so many obvious reasons. It seems at least a large part of the State’s institutions are involved in giving the CZs access to a vulnerable Jewish population, that can be ‘brainwashed’ into Yoshki in return for temporal relief. You and me pay way, way enough taxes for old Jews to be looked after in nursing homes, run and operated by Jews.
The examples of this are legion, BH I hope raising awareness about all this will start to shift things.
When you say – Just like the people worshipping the Baal when Elijah called on them to pick a side, we are back in that same test of having to choose who we really owe our allegiance to: CZs, or God.
Would be more accurate to say Satan or HaShem?
Adding on to my comment about if it is more accurate to say Satan vs. HaShem for peoples allegiance. Realizing that the Satan works for HaShem too, but JC sure does have a lot in common with the Satan…
I think you just hit the nail on the head… A person can’t be a ‘righteous gentile’ and worship anything other than Hashem.
The Torah makes is abundantly clear there is ONE Hashem, and even His name is ONE.
Anyone believing in Trinity is by definition worshipping something other than the ONE Hashem. It’s literally idolatry.
As to the overlap between ‘Yoshki worship’ and ‘Lucifer worship’…. that is a whole big can of worms.
At some point, it will have to be opened properly, or opened more.
What better time than now? If not now, then when?
I am treading softly down that path…. there are so many good Jews who are still caught up in sucking up to the xtians, in a whole bunch of ways. To state things too sharply could be too much of a shock to the system, still.
Whenever I get the ‘steer’ from Hashem to really get into it, BH I will start writing it up.
bs”d
wrote a comment but not sure it came through…
I don’t remember if I heard of the Lodge-Fish Resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodge%E2%80%93Fish_Resolution) from you or someone else.
I don’t know why it’s called a resolution, since it was signed into law. The Balfour Declaration was just that, a declaration. This was far more significant historically in many ways, but I only learned about very recently. Perpetrated by more of the usual suspects.
I have never heard of this before…
I will take a closer look, thank you.
למה את חושבת ששלח אלהים את הציוניסטים להשיב את עמו אל ארצם ולא בחר אנשים עושים טוב מהם לפניו?
אך הם רועי ישראל הרעים.
It’s a good question.
Here’s a snippet from that CZ blog linked to above:
“Christian Zionists bypassed the Rabbis, and met with ordinary Ashkenazi Jews. They sought to change the hearts and minds of Ashkenazi Jews, about Jews becoming self-governing in the land of Israel again. They worked to change public opinion to support this idea. They worked to change laws that would be favorable in helping Jews make the transition to a country, that did not even exist at the time. They worked to influence the Ottoman Empire to allow Jews to move back to the land of Israel in greater numbers. One of them even spent his entire fortune building docks and inns in New Haven, Connecticut, to handle the large number of Jews, who would one day move to the Land of Israel, and set up a Jewish government there.”
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it is a documented fact that most of the rabbis, especially the ashkenazi rabbis, were totally against the idea of moving back to EY.
I don’t know if that was a ‘reaction’ to Shabtai Tzvi, as it’s also a documented fact that the main wave of migrants to EY in the last 17th-early 18th century were sabbateans, connected to Yehuda Chasid and financed by the (Sabbatean…) Wertheimers.
When the chassidic aliya began later that century, it seems it was also in anticipation of the moshiach finally being revealed – but the BESHT was turned back from getting EY (I’m assuming the BESHT was seen to be that generation’s moshiach).
Then, the GRA’s aliyah of the perushim (which has a distinctly sabbatean connection, at the very least in terms of trying to ‘rectify’, explicitly, the mistakes made by Shabtai Tzvi) was also initiated with the year ‘1840’ in mind, as that identified by the GRA (and the Zohar…) as the ‘deadline’ for geula to begin.
When it failed to materialise, that’s when a number of the perushim had a crisis of faith, which resulted in many of them dropping religion, while others literally converted to xtianity, and many of them even became active missionaries.
So, it’s interesting that the descendents of these same perushim are the ones in political power in the State created by the CZs…
Maybe, there was simply no other way, derech hateva, that the Jews could have overcome the enormous spiritual kitrugim related to them returning to EY.
I don’t know.
But the whole subject is far more complicated, and nuanced than it appears.
“the State was really a CZ project, right from the start”
This is false. You’re implying that it was solely a CZ project which of course is false. The culmination of the establishment of the State in 1948 was the convergence of many factors, many of which were antagonistic to each other:
1) A general sentiment that Jews, like any other people deserve a State- especially after the Holocaust
2) CZ, as you’ve stated. (Note: the establishment of the State was a major refutation of Vatican doctrine.)
3) Secular imperialist factors- (this was certainly a major motivation for the British for promoting the aborted Uganda scheme.) The USSR supported the State, hoping to turn it into a Communist satellite. The Americans also considered that Israel could be used to push back against Soviet influence.
4) Secular right-wing Jewish Zionism
5) Secular cultural Zionism
6) Secular socialist Zionism
7) Religious Messianic Zionism
8) Religious Non-Messianic Zionism
9) Non-Zionist post-facto support for the State.
10) Ironically, Arab intransigence: This directly strengthened the young State- the war they started resulted in more territory for Israel. Their domestic Jew hatred resulted in mass immigration of more Jews into the country.
The influence of CZ shouldn’t be over-estimated. Though it may not be well-known, it’s not a secret. And you haven’t shown that whatever influence they have today is what decides policy.
“Because they never really worked for the good of the Jews, or for Judaism ”
This is partially correct. They do work for the (material) good of the Jews, but not Judaism. ( Also CZs generally do not actively promote converting Jews.) Nevertheless: can כׇּל מַה שֶּׁעֲשִׂיתֶם לְצוֹרֶךְ עַצְמְכֶם עֲשִׂיתֶם be applicable here?
As usual, you are sharing half-truths with an arrogant attitude that ‘you know everything about this subject’ – and you really, really don’t. The Vatican never was, never will be ‘xtian zionists’ because their doctrines don’t enable this, even after the amendments of Vatican II.
CZs are protestants, and not just any old ‘protestants’ either, as protestantism is splintered into a million different groups and sub-groups and sects and ‘cults’, with each new preacher coming up with a new doctrinal twist that just fractured ‘protestantism’ even further. CZs are mostly evangelicals, and not just any old ‘evangelicals’ either. It’s a very complicated, nuanced picture.
Given all this – who the heck are you, to write things like ‘the influence of the CZ shouldn’t be over-estimated’, when the process of even delineating how much influence they have is still ongoing, and the more I’m uncovering, the louder I want to shout about just how much influence they’ve had AT EVERY STAGE OF THE ‘POLITICAL ZIONIST’ process.
BTW, we are talking about ‘political zionism’ here, reconstituting the Jewish people as a nation-state in the land of Israel. There were many other brands of home-grown, non-political zionism sprouting all across the Jewish world from the time of Shabtai Tzvi onwards.
The ‘State’ part of the equation was never part of the homegrown Jewish effort, who were looking just to buy land and move to Israel under Ottoman or other ‘protection’, to guarantee basic civil rights of life and limb, that mostly didn’t exist in Eretz Yisrael under the Turks because they weren’t interested in the country, were taxing it to death, and basically just let the bedouin war lords do exactly what they wanted.
In the 19th century, the Turks were actually very happy for the Jews to start moving here en masse and to start developing the land. That got ruined by the heavy-handed approach of the evangelical brits, who started blowing up the Sultan’s palaces in Egypt with their gunboats offshore, whilst sending people like Laurence Oliphant to ‘demand’ massive plots of land for the Jews on the east bank of the Jordan.
It backfired and from that point on, the Ottomans started clamping down on Jewish immigration to Palestine, and the expansion of civil rights to the existing Jewish subjects of Palestine.
So, have more humility that you ‘know everything there is to know’ – you know very, very little. And with your ongoing bias of just trying to oppose every single thing I write, merely for its own sake, it’s very hard to take anything you write seriously. Your comments routinely lack the details, the facts, the dates, the real names, the links to anything anyone could check out for themselves, and we’re all just meant to take you seriously…. why exactly?
Who are you, even?
No need to reply with hysteria.
Take for example, my parenthetical comment that the State was a refutation of Vatican doctrine. You replied contentiously that I don’t know what I’m talking about and then insist that the Vatican doctrine is opposed to the State. Which is what I wrote. Why be nasty when agreeing with me?
Nothing in the rest of your reply is evidence of my contention that the State was the convergence of many factors- some of which were indeed not part of the Political Zionist movements.
Your comment that the “evangelical brits” approach “backfired” would indicate that the CZ influence was not that successful after all. Did they have overwhelming influence? Or did their influence backfire?
jr makes some good points. truman and stalin were no freinds of ours . for example but for selfish reasons helped us at certain points in time. b.gurion and lansky were not tsadikim but helped their people greatly ‘an arrogant attitde “who are you even.” you are a very smart well intentioned lady but you might consider that querey re yourself all the best
You are entitled to you opinion. And I am also entitled to mine.