More ‘Baddd genealogy, more lies

Thanks to commentator Yosef, who took the time to try to decipher the ‘baddd Rebbe’s family tree.

Let’s try and move this discussion into ‘the real world’ again. Not just soundbytes about Rebbes descending from King David, and even hand-drawn charts apparently proving it. Let’s look, tachlis, and what is written and whether it stands up to even a tiny bit of real scrutiny.

First, I translated the Hebrew names into English:

Adam the First… Mother of all living Seth Enosh Yered Methuselah Lemech Noah Shem – Melchizedek Arpachshad Shelach Ever Peleg Re’u Serug Nahor Terach Abraham our Father (c. 1812-1637 BCE according to Jewish tradition) Isaac our Father (c. 1712-1532 BCE) Jacob our Father (c. 1652-1505 BCE) Judah (c. 1565 BCE – ?) Peretz Yefuneh Caleb son of Yefuneh (13th century BCE) Achinadav Elisheva Nachshon, Prince of the Tribe of Judah (13th century BCE, Exodus era) Salcha Salmon Boaz (c. 11th century BCE) Avtzan [?] Yehidam [?] Oved Yishai (11th century BCE) David (the King) (c. 1040-970 BCE) Solomon the King (c. 990-931 BCE) Jeroboam (reigned c. 931-910 BCE) Abiyahu (reigned c. 913-911 BCE) Asa (reigned c. 911-870 BCE) Jehoshaphat (reigned c. 870-848 BCE) Jehoram (reigned c. 848-841 BCE) Ahaziah (reigned c. 841 BCE) Jehoash (reigned c. 835-796 BCE) Amaziah (reigned c. 796-767 BCE) Uzziah (reigned c. 783-742 BCE) Yotam (reigned c. 750-735 BCE) Yerotam [?] Ahaz (reigned c. 735-715 BCE) Hezekiah the King (reigned c. 715-686 BCE) [?]nsheh (Manasseh, reigned c. 697-642 BCE) Amon (reigned c. 642-640 BCE) Josiah (reigned c. 640-609 BCE) Eliakim (Jehoiakim, reigned c. 609-598 BCE) Jehoiachin (reigned c. 598-597 BCE) Hachaliah [?] Zerubbabel (6th century BCE, led return from Babylonian exile c. 538 BCE) Chaninah Chanina Berachya Chasadai [?] Isaiah Ovadyah Shechanya Shema’ya Neariah Chizkiyah the Tanna (Tannaitic period, 1st-2nd century CE) Nathan of Tzutzita B”SD [with God’s help] Tonna [?] Yaakov Nachum Yochanan Shefesh [?] Einan [?] Hanna [?] Ben [son]… of Tzutzita Ana Safra [?] Zutra Sa’ada [?]ria Zutra Bistanai (Exilarch, c. 618-670 CE), his wife a righteous convert, daughter of the King of Persia Rav Yaakov Rav [illegible] Rav Nachmit [?] Rav Avdima Avdimi Rav Pinchas Rav Chatsuv [?] Rav Shmuel Gaon Reish Balah [?] Rav Yehudah Gaon Yehudai (Gaon of Sura, died c. 761 CE) Rav Chanina Gaon Chananiah Rav Sherira Gaon (c. 906-1006 CE) HY”D [may God avenge his blood] Rav Hai Gaon (939-1038 CE), his wife is the daughter of Rav Shmuel HaTzatan [?] HaRav HaGaon R’ Yechiel HaRav HaGaon R’ Avraham HaRav HaGaon R’ Azaryah HaRav HaGaon R’ Yechezkel HaRav HaGaon R’ Le’amil [?] HaRav HaGaon R’ Azaryah HaRav HaGaon R’ Eliyahu HaRav HaGaon R’ Yosef HaRav HaGaon R’ Nachman HaRav HaGaon R’ Zalman Klonimus HaRav HaGaon R’ Leibish HaRav HaGaon R’ Elazar HaRav HaGaon R’ Yerachmiel HaRav HaGaon R’ A[illegible]… HaRav HaGaon R’ [illegible] HaRav HaGaon R’ Bezalel HaRav HaGaon R’ Yehuda Li[illegible] The Maharal the Elder HaRav HaGaon R’ Bezalel HaRav HaGaon Yehuda Loew – The Maharal of Prague (c. 1512-1609) The only one R’ Bezalel Charif HaRav HaGaon R’ Shmuel HaRav HaGaon R’ Yehuda Leib, his wife – in third marriage – [daughter?] Sarah daughter of R’ Chaim Chafuzna [?] HaRav HaGaon R’ Shneur Zalman HaRav HaGaon R’ Baruch the firstborn The Honor of His Holy Holiness the Admor Hazaken – R’ Shneur Zalman of Liadi (1745-1812) The first son Rabbi Dov Ber – the Middle Admor (1773-1827) His third daughter, the distinguished Chaya Mushka Schneersohn (1798-1860) The firstborn HaRav HaGaon Baruch Shalom – the Rashbash – Schneersohn HaRav HaGaon the pious R’ Levi Yitzchak Schneersohn (1878-1944) > THE 7TH REBBE

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Really, I’m just putting this here as part of the evidence chain, you don’t have to go through every bit of it. Unless you want to.

Next, I asked AI to assign dates to any historically-recognisable figures, which is included in this list above.

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Next, I asked AI to evaluate any ‘gaps’ in the tree – places where the tree jumps hundreds of years, without enough ‘generations’ to fill in that time frame.

Here is what it came back with:

Major Genealogical Gaps:

1. From Zerubbabel (6th century BCE) to Chizkiyah the Tanna (1st-2nd century CE)

• This represents a gap of approximately 500-600 years
• The intervening names (Chaninah, Chanina, Berachya, etc.) cannot account for this many generations

2. From Chizkiyah the Tanna (1st-2nd century CE) to Bistanai (7th century CE)

• This is a gap of approximately 500-600 years
• The names “Nathan of Tzutzita” through “Zutra” represent far too few generations for this time span

3. From Rav Hai Gaon (died 1038 CE) to the Maharal of Prague (c. 1512-1609)

• This represents a gap of approximately 470-570 years
• The list shows only about 15-16 generations of “HaRav HaGaon R'” entries, which seems insufficient for this period
• At roughly 25-30 years per generation, this would require 16-23 generations

4. From the Maharal of Prague (died 1609) to R’ Shneur Zalman of Liadi (1745-1812)

• This is a gap of approximately 136-203 years

• Only 4-5 generations are listed (Bezalel Charif, Shmuel, Yehuda Leib, Shneur Zalman, Baruch)

• This seems too few for that time span

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Next, I want to draw you attention to the fact that the ‘Baddd rebbes claim descent from the converted Persian wife of Bustanai the Exilarch, NOT Bustanai’s Jewish wife.

Apparently, there was a big ‘scandal’ about this in the Jewish community that lasted 300 years, over where this wife actually even converted, and whether her children were really Jews.

This comes from the Jewish Encyclopaedia’s entry on Bustanai ben Haninai, HERE:

The Persian princess bore Bustanai three sons (according to another version, five sons). When Bustanai died, however, his other sons by his Jewish wives sought to treat their brothers by the Persian princess as slaves, because their mother had not been converted to Judaism. The scholars of the yeshivot, however, decided in favor of Izdundad, and her relatives, who held high offices in the government, also decided in her favor.

The first dayyan who ruled that the descendants of the Persian wife were legitimate Jews was Haninai in the ninth century. The eldest son of Bustanai and the Persian woman even married a daughter of a chief dayyan. Nevertheless the question of the legitimacy of her sons remained a subject of controversy in the halakhic literature of the geonic period and thereafter. Sherira Gaon in the 10th century made a point of stressing that he himself was from the house of David but not a descendant of Bustanai.

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Now, let’s go back to Chabad’s genealogical table, above.

Strange to say, Chabad have shoved this same ‘Sherira Gaon’ – who made a point of : “stressing that he himself was from the house of David but not a descendant of Bustanai”

In Bustanai’s family tree, AND, as a descendant from this Persian princess who very possibly didn’t even convert.

Someone here has the genealogy all wrong… I wonder who?

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That same Jewish Encyclopaedia site, which actually has an academic bibliography, states that

His sons by his Jewish wife were Hisdai (Gamil) and Bardai (Haled).

Neither of these sons’ names appear in the Chabad Rebbes’ family tree, above.

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You can find Sherira Gaon’s family tree, plus a lot of supporting evidence and discussion, on geni, HERE.

Again, the key thing to note is this:

Sherira boasted that his genealogy could be traced back to the pre-Bostanaian branch of that family, which he claimed, on account of the deterioration of the exilarchate had renounced its claims thereto (Banu Tzaluba), preferring instead the scholar’s life (Letter of Sherira Gaon, in Neubauer, l.c. i. 23, 33). The seal of his family was a lion, which was said to have been the emblem of the Judean kings (Ibn Daud, l.c.).

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The takeaway point:

Sherira Gaon did NOT descend from Bustanai, and that information is sourced all over the place.

The Chabad genealogy states ‘the Rebbes’ descended from Bustanai and his non-Jewish wife, and then accidentally (ahem…) throws in Sherira Gaon as a descendant of Bustainai, and then just carries on from there.

I wonder why?

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OK, you already got the point that there are tens of ‘missing generations’ in this Chabad tree, where things just skip from one century to another.

This is not a factual genealogy.

But, let’s come much closer to home, let’s just focus on what happened between the Maharal of Prague and the Alter Rebbe of ‘Badd, because even there, things are a real mess.

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Here’s that bit of the Chabad genealogy (machine translated):

HaGaon Yehuda Loew – The Maharal of Prague (c. 1512-1609) >

R’ Bezalel Charif HaRav >

HaGaon R’ Shmuel HaRav >

HaGaon R’ Yehuda Leib, his wife – in third marriage – [daughter?] Sarah daughter of R’ Chaim Chafuzna [?] >

HaRav HaGaon R’ Shneur Zalman >

HaRav HaGaon R’ Baruch the firstborn >

The Honor of His Holy Holiness the Admor Hazaken – R’ Shneur Zalman of Liadi (1745-1812)

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There are too few generations to fit this time frame, as the AI correctly identified:

• This is a gap of approximately 136-203 years
• Only 4-5 generations are listed (Bezalel Charif, Shmuel, Yehuda Leib, Shneur Zalman, Baruch)
• This seems too few for that time span

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But put that to one side.

Maybe, they all just had children when they were 100 years old, it happens… (ahem).

On the Chabadpedia site, HERE, they have the paternal great-grandfather of the Alter Rebbe listed as one ‘Moshe of Posen’, who is meant to have celebrated the Alter Rebbe’s barmitzvah with him when he was 91 years old[1]. Chabadpedia then continues:

At the age of 25, he accepted the position of Rosh Hakahal in Posen. As the Rosh Hakahal, he bravely stood up against various harsh decrees that were being imposed upon the Jews and he was popular with the residents of the city. In 5480 [1720], he was uprooted from Posen as a result of two years of decrees and dreadful persecution by the head priest of the area, together with many of the community. After a period of time, he settled in Minsk together with his family, and he brought with him a treasure trove of antique books and writings.

As part of his trade, he got to Rome and Italy, and entered the Vatican in order to examine the old books and rare handwritten manuscripts there. There, he conversed extensively with the librarian, who sympathised with him and told about this to the church elders who challenged Rabbi Moses to a debate about the Jewish religion and the Christian religion. At the request of Rabbi Moses, the first debate was held in a room devoid of icons and statues, with the church elders removing the icons from their clothing in order to have full equality. In fact, at the time of the debate, he understood that he was standing before 30 cardinals, who included amongst them 12 well-known men of science. The most senior cardinal opened the debate. When it got to the time for Rabbi Moses to speak, he argued that there was no equality, when he was alone faced with 30, and he also demanded the right to present his arguments for Judaism first, [as Judaism] was older than Christianity, and Christianity was based upon it. And so, the debate was closed, and postponed to a later period.

After two weeks from the time of the first debate, the second debate took place. The debate was meant to have taken place in the hall of statues, but after the request of Rabbi Moses, it was moved to one of the halls in the library. In the debate, he stood against three cardinals, and indeed, they gave him the right to open the discussion. Here too, he claimed there was no equality, on the grounds that the debate was taking place on Friday, when there was a time pressure, and also against three cardinals, when he was one [person]. In fact, he spent three hours praising Judaism and its exalted level compared to Christianity. This debate ended with the crushing victory of Rabbi Moses.

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UPDATE: Commentator Yosef went back to check, and Moshe of Posen also appears on the handwritten tables.

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Chabad likes the Vatican… And the Vatican apparently likes them too.

Remember this?

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There are many strange things about this passage.

Not least, do you really believe that ‘Reb Moses of Posen’ managed to get the Vatican to back down like this? Do you really believe, that Jewish debates like this were going on in the Vatican in the 17th and 18th centuries, and that ‘Reb Moses of Posen’ would have been allowed to win them?

Yet again, someone is twisting or falsifying history.

I wonder why?

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Last thing for now, let’s go back to this entry on the Chabad genealogical list:

Yehuda Leib, his wife – in third marriage – [daughter?] Sarah daughter of R’ Chaim Chafuzna

(This is meant to be the dad of ‘Moshe of Posen’, above).

Back on the Maharal of Prague’s family tree on geni – which has no less than 23 (!) associated discussions, because it’s such a hot, sticky mess of falsification and disinformation – we can trace a little bit more about this ‘Yehuda Leib.

Here’s what it says HERE:

Rabbi Betzalel “Charif” LOEW (1547 – 1599 d. Kolin) was the firstborn (perhaps not) son of the Maharal of Prague, Rabbi Judah LOEW. His descendants include 7 generations of Rabbis.

* Rabbi Shmuel LOEW (b. 14 Jan. 1576, d. 1655) married Rosa

o daughter LOEW m. her relative R. Haim CATZ from Posnan (descendant of MAHARAL)
o daughter LOEW m. Jacob the son of Rabbi Haim from Hessen
o Rabbi Yehuda Leib LOEW (b. 1611, d. 1704)
+ Rabbi Moshe LOEW of Posen (b. 1663, d. around 1736 Minsk)
# Rabbi Schneur ZALMAN LOEW (b. 1692, d. ~1735)
* Rabbi Boruch Hatzadik LOEW (b. ~1721, d. ~1790) m. Rivkah
o [2] Yehuda Leib LOEW
+ [4] Yishai. Son: Neched Hashearit Yehuda Zeev WOLF (d. 21 Aug. 1882 Jerusalem).
o Mordechai POISNER (d. 23 Feb. 1823 Kapost)
o Moshe (b. Leozna)
o Sarah m. Israel KOZAK
o Akiva FRIDKIN m. the sister of the wife of Rabbi SEGAL the elder, daughter of Yehuda Leib SEGAL and Bila.
o [3] Rabbi Schneur ZALMAN BORUCHOVITCH of Liadi (Laydie) (The Alter Rebbe founder of Chabad) (b. 15 Sep. 1745, d. 1812 or 1813).

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These two seem to be our guys:

o Rabbi Yehuda Leib LOEW (b. 1611, d. 1704)
+ Rabbi Moshe LOEW of Posen (b. 1663, d. around 1736 Minsk)

Notice, if this is correct, Moshe Loew is meant to have died nine years BEFORE the Alter Rebbe was even born, and so cannot have celebrated his barmitzvah, as the Chabadpedia claims.

Why do these nit-picking facts matter?

Simply – because it shows Chabad is lying about so much, and simply falsifying history. Again and again and again.

I wonder why?

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Would it shock you to know that Sarah, the second (or third…) wife of Yehuda Leib LOEW (1611-1704) comes from an extended family of distinguished Sabbateans?

Would is shock you to know, that ‘Rabbi Boruch HaTzaddik Loew’ (1721-1790) married Rivkah SHOR, a very close family member of Jacob Frank’s second-in-command, ELISHA SHOR?

Who converted to xtianity together with his children, with a bunch of other Frankists?

Would it shock you to know, that Leah Golda Alexanderov, the grandma of ‘Rebbetzen Rivkah’, the Rebbe Maharash (#4) wife, was a direct descendant of Jacob Frank himself?

Snippet from the Rebbe Rayatz’s ‘memoirs’, HERE:

5609[3] – his marriage to Rebbetzin Rivkah,[4] daughter of Rebbetzin Chayah Sarah and the gaon and chassid Reb Aharon ben Moshe Alexandrov of Shklov.

Here is ‘Lea Golda Alexandrov’s’ Frankist yichus (trace it yourself HERE):

BENJAMIN BROIDE ABD GRODNO, M SJEZNA > LEAH GOLDA, M MOSHE ALEXANDROV OF SHKLOV

SJEZNA BROIDE is the daughter of ANNA SHOSHANA MAYER – the second daughter of the ‘false messiah’ JACOB FRANK.

And BENJAMIN BROIDE is a second cousin of the ALTER REBBE.

Bottom line: The 5th and 6th ‘Baddd rebbes were direct descendants of the false messiah JACOB FRANK.

Maybe now we can also start to understand how it was that so many of the Baddd extended family turned xtian, just as the Frankists were ‘turning xtian’ all over the place….

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We’ll stop there for now.

Always more to research, of course. Maybe, now it starts to make more sense how a certain part of our community always seems to be getting the headlines, the money, the prestige, hanging out with pedo-politicians all over the globe and attracting mafia kingpins to their farbrengens.

Doesn’t it?

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[1] Chabadpedia doesn’t give the specific dates of when ‘Moses of Posen’ is meant to have lived. From indications within the text, if he was 91 at the time of the Alter Rebbe’s barmitzvah in 1758, that means he was born in 1667.